2013.022.007 Oral History Interview with Marilyn Sontag and Daniel Carter

 

Husband and wife Daniel Carter and Marilyn Sontag sit down with Tomie Arai to discuss their lives living at 218 Centre Street, and all of the changes in the neighborhood that they have watched since they moved in in 1970. They begin by discussing their lives prior to their move to New York City, and how they found their apartment, which was actually designated as an artist residence, through word of mouth. Marilyn is a visual artist, and Daniel is a composer and musician. The couple discuss the changing borders of Chinatown over the years, and they describe the location of their residence as right on the border between what is left of Little Italy and Chinatown. When Marilyn and Daniel elaborate on the changes in Chinatown through the years, they stress that the main change is the expansion of Chinatown. They share anecdotes from their life in the seventies and share stories behind artifacts that they kept for sentimental reasons, such as old street signs, a piece of cast iron from their building after a remodel, and photographs, among other treasures. They discuss what it has been like to be a part of the Chinatown community peripherally, and they share many anecdotes about their life together living in the same place for 45 years.

0:00 - Background on Marilyn and Daniel, moving into their apartment in 1970, discussion of businesses that they remember in their neighborhood, discussion of the moving borders of Chinatown and the surrounding neighborhoods. Expansion of Chinatown.

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17:09 - When the neighborhood started changing, artists moving out of their building, new landlords bringing the building up to code. Introduction to Marilyn and Daniel’s artifacts, their sentimental value, remembering different times in their lives. Anecdote about a burgling incident at their apartment.

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30:04 - Daniel’s outlook on collecting, more description of their building, their apartment, and their artifacts. Updating their apartment, old features that are no longer around. Marilyn and Daniel collect old street signs; they discuss the significance of their signs. Getting furniture for their apartment on the street.

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47:12 - Other things that you used to be able to find on the streets of New York, the transformative power of objects, more about their collections, more about other tenants in the building, other artists who lived and worked nearby.

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60:18 - How Marilyn and Daniel describe the geographical location where they live, they define this as Chinatown and Little Italy, how Chinatown has moved to encompass their apartment, nuanced relationship between outsiders and insiders in Chinatown.

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67:47 - The traditional music you hear on the street and in the subway near and around Chinatown, discussion of music and theory generally. Daniel talks about a music group he was a part of called Chinatown.

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81:36 - Describing the force of energy in Chinatown, what it feels like to be labelled as foreign and all of the different connotations, Chinatown not as a place to mingle, but as a place to come.

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90:44 - If they had their portraits painted, what would they include from Chinatown? Changing perceptions of Chinatown, what they would include in a community archive, involvement in the community.

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110:24 - Conclusions on the interview.

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