2008.040.011 Oral History Interview with Howard Pyle January, 15 2008

 

Howard Pyle talks to MOCA about his experiences moving into the broader Chinatown area during the booming dot-com years of the 1990s and how he has witnessed things change since then. He offers listeners some interesting context for the rise and fall of the dot-com bubble and how 9/11 affected many parts of lower Manhattan and led to shifts in population. Howard also goes into detail about the punk scene in DC where he was from and how he felt when he first moved to NYC and was forced to learn the cultural geography. He shares his experience with the Yellow Arrow Project as well as his thoughts on what connects people to the spaces they visit or inhabit. The conversation concludes with Howards thoughts on the term gentrification and the real-world impacts of gentrification on NYC and the artists who live there.

0:00 - Howard Pyle and his background; moved to NY in 1998 working in “silicon alley”; discussion of silicon alley’s culture and emphasis on authenticity; perceptions of authenticity in New York and its commodification; post 9/11 world in NYC; moved to Honduras to get out of the city; returned to Brooklyn heights; worked for old internet design company called Method; describes the space where he worked and its impact on him

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15:51 - He left the space because the primary lease holder wanted their space; very informal system of payment for the space; the block was a machinery district before it was internet companies; oddness of NYC districts; helped create a basic website for the former landlord and learned about the history of the space; the romanticism and history of the space

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23:49 - Viewed the building on Lafayette and Grand as Chinatown; describes the bounds of Chinatown as he perceives it; changing nature of the names of neighborhoods; discusses the tough history and nature of DC; compares DC to NYC; describes his upbringing and lifestyle in the DC punk rock scene; first experience arriving in New York and having to learn the cultural geography; sense of danger in NYC

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35:54 - Describes his relationship to Chinatown and other neighborhoods; swapping stories of run ins with gangs in different neighborhoods; people moved into and occupied spaces because it was cheap and accessible, there wasn’t a perception of participation in community or a mission of gentrification; there was less of a sense of urban exploration in the ‘80s

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40:09 - Post 9/11 impact on the tech boom and lower Manhattan; discusses the dotcom bubble crash; people used the anxieties around 9/11 as an excuse to change trajectories which harmed the internet economy; many people moved back home as their salaries fell, opening up space for people to move in

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48:03 - The fall off of Chinatown after 9/11; the return of life to Chinatown; his frustration with tourists and Canal street; difference between local oriented business and tourist oriented business; organic and chaotic organization of streets and landscapes in lower Manhattan; danger of the area; people like the area because of deals and underground aspect which is different from everyday life; people from homogenized, affluent backgrounds like the different style of consumption in the area

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57:07 - Yellow Arrow Project background and explanation; the project created geographical empathy by informing people about the spaces they were in; the discomfort of being in a new environment; building comfort with spaces through personal stories and learning small details; the project directed people around and fostered careful looking at the neighborhood; what makes somebody an outsider or insider

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67:26 - Howard’s relationship to Chinatown; many Americans lack a cultural epicenter like Chinatown; feels like he’s outsider still; what does somebody need to feel like and insider; anecdote about developing a personal relationship with a café in his neighborhood; what it feels like to be on the inside of an authentic community like his design firm

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76:32 - When Buddhist society’s parking lot became a tourist sale spot; Howard’s thoughts on the fuzziness of gentrification; contextualizing the gentrification conversation with his own story; critiquing gentrification is tough because it contrasts with the American ideal of reinvention; there are competing accounts of how the borders of Chinatown are changing according to socio-economic or ethnic lines; Howard’s view of the boundaries of Chinatown; discusses other residents in the area

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93:05 - Experiences with real estate spectrum in NYC; harder for artists to find spaces that meet their needs; everything has become premium in Manhattan and is becoming premium in the boroughs; communities shifting online but that can't meet all needs

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