2007.006.071 Oral History Interview with Elsie Chang and Professor Jeffrey Barlow at Pacific University
There were two interviews recorded on this tape. In the first interview, Elsie Chang provides a personal view of Hazel Ying Lee, a female aviator who flew during the 1930s and 1940s. She discusses their close friendship, which began in China when they were young, and delineates the many fearless traits of her friend. Elsie also talks about her life in Portland and the discrimination she faced as an adult. She remembers the last time she saw Hazel and describes where she was when she first learned of her death. In a separate interview, Professor Jeffrey Barlow of Pacific University contextualizes racial and gendered landscape of early twentieth century Portland, Oregon and discusses the stereotypes and expectations with which Chinese American women such as Hazel would have had to contend. Prof. Barlow discusses how Hazel may have made the decision to become an aviator and how she was able to do so despite various constraints. These interviews are part of the Hazel Ying Lee & Frances M. Tong Collection and were conducted as part of the research and making of the documentary film, A Brief Flight: Hazel Ying Lee and the Women Who Flew Pursuit (2002), directed by Alan Rosenberg.

0:15 - What Elsie thought of Hazel when they were teenagers, Hazel getting in trouble at Chinese school, people becoming interested in China, wanting to live in Chinatown, father not wanting to live in Chinatown, father being protective of Elsie

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2:15 - Hazel job as an elevator operator, Hazel being a sales associate, Hazel being friendly, Hazel being a great driver, Hazel not being reserved, Hazel always knowing what she wanted, Hazel wanting to learn how to fly, Hazel wanting to fight in the war, moving from Canton to Hong Kong, father appreciating Hazel and her family

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6:06 - What Canton was like, dressing in Western clothes, Hazel changing after coming back from the war, Hazel wanting to beat the Japanese, friends of Hazel from Portland

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7:25 - Hazel thoughts about not being able to join the Chinese air force, Hazel wanting to have a chance to fight, things Elsie and Hazel did together in Canton

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9:09 - Chinese government changing after Japanese invasion of China, government becoming more open, Elsie graduating college in 1935, memory of bomb, Hazel family having a house in Canton, looking for family members after the bomb, Japanese soldiers, short travel to Hong Kong, Hazel being a quick learner

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13:38 - Hazel death, Hazel being aware of the dangers of flying

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14:36 - Where Elsie was when she learned of Hazel death, sister telling Elsie, Hazel being a great flyer, Hazel always being there for Elsie, feeling safe around Hazel

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15:30 - Not facing discrimination in Portland in college, feeling discrimination when wanting to buy a house once she was married, needing a petition signed in order to join a neighborhood because of her race

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16:50 - Considering Hazel a hero, Hazel being so far ahead of the other girls, Hazel being sure of her future, admiring Hazel, Hazel being a role model

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19:09 - Hazel doing a good job at her work in Liebes Department Store

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19:56 - Hazel being calm and collected, Hazel not being afraid, not having contact with Hazel for two years during the Japanese War, not seeing Hazel after that

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21:12 - Start of Professor Jeffrey Barlow interview, Hazel fighting the traditional idea of Chinese women, Confucianism, Hazel being a good scholar, meaning of Hazel name

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22:59 - Portland Chinese community in 1930s, community in transition, late Gold Rush, small percentage of Portland Chinese community being women, mining community, stereotypes, service economy, restaurant industry

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26:36 - Difficulty of finding a job for Chinese American women, secretarial skills, racial prejudice, less prejudice in Portland, safe haven for Chinese during riots in Portland

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28:42 - What Chinese women were like during that period, a time of opportunities and dangers, traditional Chinese view of women and marriage during that time period, Hazel shattering preconceptions of a Chinese woman, binding of feet, stereotypes in the 1930s and 1940s, Asian political woman, Madame Chiang Kai-Shek

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33:54 - Census figures, community had become Chinese American, immigration laws constantly changing in late nineteenth and early twentieth century, Chinese community in America not trusting the law, hidden immigrants, what Hazel knew about China, modern Chinese woman

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40:05 - Conflicting self-images, traditional Chinese personality, notion of appropriate role, opportunity to become a flyer, undeclared war between China and Japan, Shanghai, Chinese community raising money to start a flying club, Hazel joining a flying club, club having thirty students, Hazel not being accepted because she was a woman, male flyers becoming accepted, traditional yet modern army, Hazel feeling whole in the air, flying representing freedom, Hazel being fluent in English and Chinese

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